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Coast to Coast AM with George Noory
David Wilcock, June 19, 2007
G: …David Wilcock. Tonight we'll talk about 2012, some incredible things he's been working on. And also, did you know there are some who say he is the reincarnated Edgar Cayce – the late, great American prophet?
David Wilcock is next on Coast to Coast AM.
[Break]
G: David Wilcock is a professional lecturer. I've met him on many conferences. A filmmaker, researcher of ancient civilizations, consciousness science and new paradigms of matter and energy. He's got an upcoming Hollywood film called CONVERGENCE, unveiling the proof that all life here on Earth is united in a field of consciousness which affects our 'normal' minds in very strange and fascinating ways.
David is also the subject and co-author of the international best-seller "The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce," which explores the remarkable similarities between David and Edgar, features many of David's most inspiring psychic readings and reveals documented NASA scientific proof of interplanetary climate change and how it directly impacts our own DNA.
David Wilcock, our special guest tonight on Coast to Coast. Hey David, welcome back!
D: How are you doing, George?
G: I'm doing fine! I'm doing fine. Any conferences in store for you in the not-too-distant future?
D: Well, unfortunately I had to cancel one that was going to be coming up in August because we're going into high gear with our film, negotiating the last stages of financing, et cetera. I have been invited to address the UN in December, and that should be interesting.
G: Oh really! What's the subject?
D: Well, it could amount to nothing more than a closet in the building.
G: [Laughs]
D: There's a lot of NGOs – Non Governmental Organizations – there, and they've had a lot of non-mainstream people that you might have had here on Coast speak there. So I don't think it's at the level of what Hoagland did back in the early 90s, but I'd like to add that to my resume.
G: Absolutely. When we talked a couple years ago and I was looking at the book "The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce," and the side-by-side photo comparisons, which are very close – it's not the same until you meet YOU in person.
You didn't know this, but when I met you up there near San Jose / San Francisco, I had a picture of Edgar Cayce with me.
D: [Laughs]
G: You look very, very close to what he looked like.
D: I remember one of the times you saw me, I was wearing my disguise. For several years I wore a beard, specifically to obscure the resemblance, which is very noticeable around the mouth. I even had an orthodontist – I had nine grand worth of work done on my teeth, and he said that the orthodontic similarity between Edgar Cayce and me is so astonishing that if you investigate the teeth, he could actually tell from the shape of the mouth that they would be the same.
G: Let's talk for about 10 minutes or so about these Edgar Cayce similarities. You are psychic as well, right?
D: I began formally researching ESP when I was seven years old, with a book by Harold Sherman called "How to Make ESP Work For You." It was triggered by having had an out-of-body experience when I was five, where I appeared to be taken somewhere. It only got so far as my going down the stairwell, and I became very frightened, thinking I was dying. I then returned with sort of a rubber-band snapping feeling to my body.
Afterwards, I felt as if I had failed by having fear, and if I hadn't been afraid I could have gone somewhere that would potentially be very interesting. I had many dreams in which I was on board some sort of spacecraft. There was a figure – and once the Star Wars movies came out, he became Obi-Wan Kenobi.
G: [Laughs]
D: In Star Wars, he ends up basically dematerializing his body right before Darth Vader is about to hit him with a light saber. Now I didn't put all this together when I was a kid, but later on it seemed to be a representation of some higher aspect of myself that was giving me instruction.
By the time two years had gone by, I hadn't gotten another chance to have an out of body experience – but I really wanted to meet this guy in person, whoever he was. I became convinced I had to go farther. I explained the whole thing to my mother and it was a wonderful blessing that she happened to be into metaphysics, and had all these books under the cellar staircase. She said "Read whatever you want!"
So here, most kids my age are reading books like Clifford the Big Red Dog, with gigantic font sizes, [laughs], and in order to satisfy my curiosity, I had to read this book that had tiny, tiny words and no pictures. I got into it, though.
I've gotta say, George, I've read your "Worker in the Light" book with William Birnes, who you had on in the first hour. I really want to commend you on that, because it's so rare that when people write about accessing higher consciousness, they include the fact that it's dangerous!
G: Yes. Absolutely. You know, there's always that caveat, and I wanted to make sure that everybody knew it's not all fun and games, David.
At what point did you realize you might have been the reincarnated Edgar Cayce, or did somebody else tell you that?
D: Well, that jumps a long way ahead in the storyline. To answer your question and cut to the chase, I had been… wow! There's a lot of intervening material.
G: All right, let's go back a little bit, then.
D: Okay. To really put it in gear, when I was in junior high I worked with a Ouija board, just like you did.
G: [Groans] Augh! [Laughs]
D: Suffice it to say that a friend of mine actually taped a crucifix on it, and it damaged the Ouija board because he didn't like what was happening. We were getting entities that were not entirely positive in nature.
The first time I ever had a Ouija experience was with my babysitter Rachel. She just tilted her head back and closed her eyes, and her mouth was hanging open. She wasn't even looking at it. I'm watching it moving around, and my hands didn't seem to be doing the moving. And yet it was answering these questions that I didn't know, that I was asking. And then the answers turned out to be correct.
That was way back when I was in like seventh or eighth grade, I guess.
So I was reading about palm reading, I was reading about Tarot cards. My mom had a Tarot card deck which she then stopped using, because somebody got the Tower of Destruction card and then they had a car crash a couple days later. She was like, "That's enough, I'm done!" [Laughs]
G: I've sometimes wondered, David, if people will remember that, or their subconscious will manifest the event based on the fear factor of what they just went through.
D: That's a real problem. Self-fulfilling prophecy…
G: [Emphatic] Yes.
D: …like the placebo effect. And you have a lot of [psychic] readers out there who will tell people they have to take certain evasive actions to avoid some disaster happening. Once you tell them that, they begin obsessing on their safety, and begin scrutinizing things they wouldn't otherwise scrutinize. In fact, they can inadvertently create something that wouldn't have happened otherwise.
When I started doing Tarot card readings, if I saw a card like The Tower of Destruction, Death or any of the higher-level Sword cards, where you see a body with all the swords puncturing it, or something like that, I would always make sure to try not to give people an emphatic message of doom. Rather, I make it clear that certain choices you're making right now may lead to outcomes that are not desirable for you.
G: OK, but while you're dabbling, you still don't know you're Edgar Cayce at that point.
D: Oh, heck no.
G: Right? Okay.
D: I had written a few fiction stories in high school. I was kind of a gifted kid. Both of these stories dealt with people who were extraterrestrials trapped in human bodies – the idea that the soul is extraterrestrial and not from the normal stock of human background.
It was all fictional to me, but at the same time I started practicing lucid dreaming, which is another thing you mention in "Worker in the Light", and you did a great job of it.
G: Mm hm.
D: I used a technique by Dr. Stephen LaBerge called MILD, or Mnemonic Induction of Lucid Dreaming. You sit there and say, "Next time I'm dreaming, I want to remember to recognize that I'm dreaming." And you repeat that phrase, over and over, while remembering the dream you just woke up from, and then visualizing a different ending where you become lucid.
The trick to lucid dreaming, as LaBerge explains it, is that if you look at something in a dream, look away and look back, it will change slightly. Dreams are not a fixed environment – they are fluid. [This is what tips you off that you are in a dream and not in ordinary waking reality.]
So sure enough, I started capturing them. LaBerge is saying everything in a lucid dream is a projection of your mind. So when I found myself, again, on the main deck of spaceships with these robed beings talking to me, who looked like human beings, I just assumed it was all a psychological projection. I didn't think anything more of it.
Then when I was a sophomore in college, I stopped using all intoxicating substances. I've been sober for fifteen years. About six months after I got my life cleaned up, and I started to document my dreams every morning – taking lucid dreaming to the next step and really making a solid library – I had a friend of mine come all the way down from Albany to New Paltz, where I went to school. His face was white as a ghost.
He told me, in no uncertain terms, that aliens were real, that they had crashed in Roswell and other events since then – which again ties back with what you said in the first hour.
G: Absolutely.
D: [He found this out from his college professor, who said he worked at NASA for 11 years, through the 1970s. The professor said it was "common knowledge" in the higher echelons that UFOs had landed, and we had reverse-engineered the technology.]
My friend said there were three types of beings in the craft. The tallest one was basically indistinguishable from a human. There was a middle-sized one that looks like your typical Grey, and then there was a short one that looked like a Grey on the surface, but it was only a helmet. You could remove the helmet and underneath was what he called a 'monstrosity.'
This probably relates back to what Swerdlow was talking about with you last week. Although I'm not sure I would agree with everything he said, there do appear to be reptilian ET species.
He also explained a propulsion system in which a particle of radiation is shot out from the back of the disc, whatever direction it's going, at 3/4s the speed of light. Then a trillionth of a second later, another particle shoots out and bounces off of the first one like a billiard ball, then goes back and hits the edge of the ship.
It's similar to a laser beam, where you have a permanent mirror and then a partially permeable mirror. A light beam bounces between those two mirrors until it gets intense enough that it punctures through the mirror that's only partially visible, and then it becomes a laser.
G: Mm hm.
D: In the same way, you have these two fields of energy – one of which is 3/4s light speed, one of which is light speed, and they're bouncing off of each other like pool balls. That's what happens to push the ship forward.
I said, "You know, that would really work." If you could set it up that way, you could get a ship to move to light speed.
It's the same principle as a radiometer. As a kid, I went to the Schenectady Museum and Planetarium, and bought this little toy that's a glass globe with these four little fins hanging on a needle inside, and they move freely. There's a white side on the faces of each of these little fins, which are square in shape, and then the other side is black.
On the black side, they attract little atoms of gas that are inside the globe. The gas bangs against them because of the temperature difference. [Black absorbs more heat than white – thereby attracting more gas molecules. It's almost a complete vacuum inside, so there is very little resistance to the fins moving.] All these little atoms of gas hit the black side and the fins start moving forward.
So, through nothing more than the atoms hitting these little fins, the thing starts spinning around – and it goes very fast when you put it in the sun.
G: You must have been a boy genius, David.
D: Yeah, I was kind of a science geek.
G: [Laughs]
D: I ended up building a lie-detector test in my sixth grade year and gave it to the principal. She didn't get any reaction from it because she had powder on her hands. It was really funny.
G: [Laughs]
D: She was there in front of all these district heads of the school, and I said, "Well, ma'am, you must be dead." [Laughs]
G: Did you have one of those plastic things in your pocket with pens and pencils? [Laughs]
D: [Laughs] I wasn't quite that much of a geek, because I did desire to have somewhat of a social life.
I had subscribed to an astronomy magazine and saw pictures of the Face on Mars when it first came out in 1976, and I was dazzled by it. I said, "That's a face!"
G: Yeah. I said the same thing when I first saw that.
D: You look at it, and it's got eyes, it's got a nose, it's got lips, it's got a mesa with a headdress around it. I said to myself, "This is not just a mountain."
G: Well, Hoagland said the same thing too, David, and look how far he's taken this investigation – and he's got more to come.
D: He's the next step in the puzzle. After I found out about this UFO data, of which there is other elements…
G: And still at this point, you don't think you're Edgar Cayce, right?
D: Oh, heck no. One other thing about Roswell. The contact told me we had reverse-engineered a lot of technologies from it, and this included fiber optics, LED lights, laser beams, infrared night vision, Kevlar bullet-proof vests, Velcro, Teflon and computer chips, among other things.
It fascinated me to realize that we went from vacuum-tube transistors, where you had to have a whole room to build a teensy little pocket calculator-sized computer, and in a very short period of time we now have 12 to 15 million transistors on a single integrated circuit inside your computer.
You could say that human innovation had a lot to do with the perfecting of it. And this goes back to William Birnes' book, "The Day After Roswell", where he interviewed Col. Philip Corso.
G: Mm hm.
D: And Corso said the same thing! He got this little bag of stuff from the Roswell crash, and there were these little quarter-sized disks in it. They looked at them under a microscope and saw all these little lines on them, and they were actually computer chips. Then they farm them out to corporations like Monsanto and say, "Hey, we've got foreign technology." [Laughs]
G: [Laughs] Yeah. REALLY foreign technology!
D: Yeah! [Laughs]
So there's so much people don't know. That's what I started to realize.
Then, the same guy who told me about the UFOs ended up seeing Richard Hoagland's UN Briefing video. He came back and told me all this stuff.
I said, "I've gotta get this guy's book. This is totally incredible. He's saying there's pyramids and a face on Mars. He's saying the outline of this city is related to some kind of physics which manifests as these geometric objects showing up in planets, which then determine the position of volcanoes, the Great Red Spot on Jupiter, sunspots, et cetera."
I said, "This is just crazy."
G: Ah, but it's a fascinating crazy, though, David.
D: Oh, yeah! I mean crazy in a good way!
But I was terrified of agents – black-ops people – following me. [Laughs]
I remember I ordered Hoagland's book Monuments of Mars, and never dreamed I'd actually be working with him someday. I ordered it at Ariel Booksellers in downtown New Paltz.
I remember that when I went and got the book, I was so terrified that somebody would be following me on the way home…
G: [Laughs]
D: …from the bookstore…
G: [Laughs] While you held it under your arm…
D: …that I kept it in the bag. They handed me the bag, and it was like I had this bottle of whiskey or something that I didn't want anybody to see in public. [Laughs]
Then I got home, hovered under a light and read the whole thing in a matter of days – which is not easy if you've ever seen Monuments. It's a huge book.
G: Yes it is. And I got the video a long time ago. I saw Richard on one of those late-night programs, and up he pops. He still has that same bolo, by the way. I think he wears it to all the conferences.
D: Well, it's a piece of history, you know? [Laughs]
G: [Rushing] Let's move ahead. I've only got a few minutes before the break. I want to find out how you realized you were Edgar Cayce.
D: Let's fast forward to that. What ensued was three years of very intense UFO research. I ended up digesting over 300 books in three years [from 1993 to 1996]. I basically had a photographic recall of the contents of these books. I went through all kinds of different subjects – Atlantis, UFOs, et cetera.
At the end of those three years, my dreams were suggesting that the phenomenon behind the UFOs wanted to have a direct communication with me. This evolved into a telepathic communication using something I called the dream voice, where I woke up in the morning and documented all the background chatter in my mind. I used many of the remote viewing protocols I learned about in 1996 from the Art Bell show, and from some of the guests he had on.
I started having an open contact, which developed on November 10, 1996. It immediately started doing things like predicting the future, teaching me about spirituality, how I needed to grow and let go of my fear.
About a year after that, it had guided me to move to Virginia Beach. I ostensibly thought this was because it was a safety land. At that time I was thinking 1998 was going to have major pole-shift type stuff happening.
The Cayce Readings had said Atlantis would rise off the coast of Virginia Beach in 1998. So I wanted to be there and see it. Also because it was supposed to be a safety land, I wanted to move down there.
As soon as I got there, everybody started saying, "My God! You look just like Edgar Cayce!" This included the director of the [Edgar Cayce association's] Venture Inward magazine, the photographic editor of the Venture Inward magazine, the head of the Heritage Store, which is the number one seller of Cayce products worldwide…
G: Did YOU see the similarities?
D: [Deep breath] Yeah. When somebody first showed me the picture, I said, "Well, that's my face." I'd never seen a picture of Edgar when he was younger. I had to do a double-take and figure out, "Okay, well who is this a picture of? Obviously I've never seen this particular picture taken of me, and I also wouldn't wear historic clothing like that."
So it really freaked me out. I finally had built up such a trust with my Higher Self by this point that when I asked the question, I really didn't even want the answer.
When the answer came back that in fact it was yes, and that I was Edgar Cayce reincarnated, it opened up Pandora's Box – specifically because Cayce had allegedly been an Atlantean priest known as Ra-Ta who his own readings had predicted would return in 1998 as 'A' liberator of the world…
G: [Laughs]
D: …not THE liberator.
G: Stay with us, David. We'll come right back at this point. I'm George Noory. David Wilcock is our guest. His website is www.divinecosmos.com.
[Break]
G: We've got a special guest tonight, David Wilcock. We'll be back with David in just a moment, on Coast to Coast AM.
[Break]
G: So David, if Edgar Cayce happened to have been an Atlantean priest, what does that make you?
D: The Cayce Readings specifically said that Edgar would not return, but that his incarnation as Ra-Ta would return. This implied that in that incarnation, he would have a lot more of his Atlantean memories.
Now bear in mind that Ra-Ta designed the Hall of Records. He's the guy who knew all the information that went into the Hall. He's the guy who was arguably the chief person liaising between an extraterrestrial group [Ra] and humanity, to design and build the Great Pyramid. So this is kind of a heavyweight guy.
The Cayce Readings also portrayed a very interesting human side to him, by saying he had Clintonesque Monica Lewinsky-type problems with women. He actually failed out on an opportunity to Ascend in the Great Pyramid, which is what it was originally built for, and was then bound to a series of human reincarnations without his power.
G: [Fascinated] Hm!
D: This was in order to atone for the fact that he essentially was the father of what we now call the Illuminati.
Toward the end of his life, the teachings got corrupted. It was actually through a very humiliating series of experiences that I realized it wasn't other priests after him who started that problem – it was him.
It was basically his initial loss of diligence, in terms of monogamy, that opened the door for people to start being really flexible with the spiritual teachings he brought through. The priesthood eventually took over and created an elite system, and began contacting negative entities, by their orientation – which they didn't realize were negative.
So there are these thousands and thousands of years old messages that they got, which they wrote down on ancient scrolls, which came from the service-to-self side.
So in effect, I'm actually here as a form of karmic atonement. Apparently, if you look at the Cayce stuff – and again this is REALLY way out on the fringe, and I understand that – if you look at the Cayce story, we screwed up.
The pyramid shouldn't have been built, because it ended up being used only for the elite. It was able to create what they considered to be Godlike conditions among men, who take on telekinesis, levitation, the ability to kill huge numbers of people just by pointing your finger at them, et cetera. Very frightening stuff.
G: Yeah. Very frightening indeed. But you're the atonement. Is it working?
D: I don't know? What do you think? [Laughs]
G: I don't know. I'll have to follow you around to a few more conferences before I can tell you that!
D: It's important to mention that what you're dealing with in a group like Ra – the group originally in contact with Ra-Ta, Edgar's earlier lifetime – is a soul that is the equivalent of an entire planet worth of people. They have all been compressed into one consciousness.
That soul cannot express itself as one human being. That's why it's really important that the Cayce prophecy said "A liberator," not "THE liberator."
I've had a lot of people – it just comes with the job – lay Messianic-type stuff on me. I have really almost completely distanced myself from this Cayce stuff. I haven't even called you guys to do a show about it in two and a half years.
G: No. As a matter of fact, you pushed that aside.
D: Yep.
G: I'm going to only ask you one or two more questions on this, David, and we'll get into tonight's topic. Do you do health readings, or anything like that?
D: I was active as a counselor, doing intuitive readings, for seven years, from 1998 to 2005. During that time I processed 500 clients, and I had about a 99.8 percent satisfaction rate.
In fact, there was one case when a woman stormed out of my apartment. Back in the very early days, I did them in person. She stormed out of my apartment after demanding a refund. I was really shocked, because she said the reading was of no value.
Then about seven minutes later, she came at the door again. She obviously had been crying. She said, "What you said to me in that reading cut so deep, and was so truthful, that I got really triggered."
G: And angry. Yeah.
D: "I didn't know what to do. I couldn't put the keys into the ignition on my car, because I couldn't actually see the ignition since I was crying so much."
"That's when I realized you were right, and I had to come back and give you your money back." [Laughs]
G: [Laughs]
D: I've had really interesting things happen with the readings. Prophecies that came true, including the fact that Gore would lose the 2000 election. That was documented online before it happened.
The problem, though, is that these prophecies come through in kind of a Nostradamus fashion. You don't really necessarily understand what they're going to say to you until after they happen.
The one thing that was VERY consistent was that there was going to be some type of event in our future – a pinnacle of consciousness evolution. We were heading into it in our lifetime. I got so much data on this, so many dreams that talked about it.
Then I concluded, "If this is really for real, I'm not going to content myself with trying to go out there and say, "Well yeah, I'm a psychic, and here's the proof that my source is sometimes accurate, and this is what it's saying.""
I said, "If this is really going to happen, if the whole world is going to go through some type of very noticeable, very profound energetic shift," which is what I was being told, "then let's just throw away the intuitive data entirely. Let's go completely back to nuts-and-bolts scientific stuff that can be proven."
Now that being said, I think a lot of us in this [UFO / metaphysics / new science] community have battered women syndrome. We're going to have to sit down and realize, "Daddy doesn't love me."
This means the scientific community is not going to accept this stuff beyond a certain point. And if we're trying to convince them, we're probably wasting a lot of our effort.
I feel that this venue – Coast to Coast – is the summit of where this material is being disseminated in public.
G: Well, indeed it is. And I will be asking you now, then, David. Are you still doing prophecies of the future? Do you see anything out there for us?
D: Yes. There are prophecies I had that have not yet come true.
I have seen the collapse of the United States federal government, and the US turning into a set of balkanized nation-states.
I don't know for certain if that's still going to happen. I don't think it's going to involve as much economic turmoil for the average person as you might think. The case history for that is the Soviet Union, which broke up, but the actual quality of life for the average citizen did not change that much.
I do believe that what we're now seeing with '9/11 Truth' is reaching a critical mass, and will not simply be stopped. I believe that the civilian outrage is going to reach a point where you are actually going to see the unthinkable happen.
I believe that some of the news organizations are starting to hedge their bets, so they won't lose all their corporate sponsorship once that truth is firmly established as a public reality. This includes ABC News coming out with stuff about Operation Northwoods, which is a real dicey issue.
G: Oh yeah. And we've talked about that.
WILCOCK'S CASE FOR 2012
Okay, now, of course a subject dear to all our hearts. And that has to do with 2012. You've done a lot of work there. In your opinion, what do you think is going to happen around December 21, 2012?
D: I believe it is loosely correlated with what the prophecies say – that it becomes a golden age for humanity. First – and this is more on an existential level than a scientific level – I believe that we're actually going to go through a dimensional shift. This will lead to Ascended abilities such as telekinesis, levitation, instantaneous healing, the ability to fast-forward and rewind linear time like a videotape – things like that.
I believe that all these potentials lie dormant within human consciousness now, and certain people who begin activating them will be able to use them prior to this happening. And it's already starting.
In terms of scientific criteria, there are two key aspects to 2012 we can discuss tonight. The first one, which I gave you some supporting material on before the show, is biological evolution.
We now can extremely, firmly establish that the Darwinian model of evolution is fraudulent. This is specifically because you have these long-term cycles in which all life on Earth spontaneously shifts from one type of organism to another.
Let me give you one of the simpler examples of this, that people don't really sit and think about.
G: All right.
D: You have all these shellfish with exoskeletons. This means that there is a clam, and there is a soft meaty part inside and a clamshell on the outside. Now how did they get, by slow, random mutation, from shellfish to bony fish, where the skeleton is on the inside and the flesh is on the outside? [Laughs]
G: [Laughs] Yeah.
D: Show me one transitional fossil that is a fish with half the skeleton and half the flesh on the surface. You don't see any.
And in fact, all of these Darwinian models, like the horse evolution, where the Eohippus and the various versions of the horse supposedly evolved into the modern horse, have been disproven.
The missing link that supposedly got out of the water and then became a land animal – that hasn't really been found. There are no transitional fossils between Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons, where suddenly the brain size suddenly doubles in capacity. It just goes on and on.
What's even more interesting is that these cycles occur in even intervals of time. This goes back to two University of Chicago paleontologists named David Raup and John Sepkoski, who discovered a 26-million-year cycle in evolution.
It turns out that we are at the exact halfway point of that cycle right now. It's been precisely 13 million years since the last time that all life on Earth spontaneously upgraded in a very short period of time.
More recently, there is another scientist, Dr. Robert Rohde from UC Berkeley, and he discovered another evolution cycle that goes all the way back to the Precambrian era, when life was first formed on Earth.
G: That was close to the asteroid period, when we got hit with the big one in the Yucatan?
D: [The Precambrian era goes back nearly 600 million years.] The K/T boundary, or the Cretaceous boundary, as it's called, is the one that happened 65 million years ago. This is hypothesized to be caused by an asteroid impact.
However, I would propose something entirely different than that as the actual causation. It appears that the Earth is a living free energy system, which is continually expanding in size from the inside.
Now in conventional physics, you can't let that happen. In conventional physics, they say there was a Big Bang, and everything was created all at once in the beginning. Nothing has been created since then.
That's a very huge logical leap to make. They're basically saying "NOTHING exploded." 'Nothing' exploded.
Well, that's cool. Nothing exploded and became everything. And then nothing has been created ever since nothing exploded.
Right.
What if the Universe is in a continuous state of creation in some areas, and in other areas it may be absorbing back into black holes, or into the aether, or whatever you want to call it?
And therefore, if you shrink the Earth down to 55 percent of its current size, by removing the oceans – the whole Pacific basin is only a few hundred million years old, whereas the crust is much older – the crust perfectly fits together like a jigsaw puzzle.
So what appears to happen is that when there is a sudden influx of energy, the Earth spontaneously increases in its physical size, sort of in a sudden moment. In fact, some of these craters that appear to be meteor impacts are actually uprisings from the interior of the earth.
G: Because of the sudden change.
D: Right. Because there's a surge of magma and so forth that comes out from inside.
G: How devastating is that for any life that might be on the planet at the time?
D: Well, it certainly is not a fun event if you're in a biological lifeform at that time. It's what they would call an ELE, or Extinction Level Event.
However, it's important to note that there have been other periods of evolution in which there are no signs of cataclysm, but the species on Earth still have this spontaneous evolution. Yet there is no evidence of there having been a disaster.
Robert Rohde's evolution cycle is approximately 62 million years in length.
G: And what's the significance of that? So what?
D: That goes back to a model I've composed, which Richard Hoagland and I have been discussing. He has other theories, but this is my theory.
You look back at the work of Dr. Halton Arp, who studied microwave radiation emissions from stars. That is called "redshift" in the conventional model, and it is used to determine how far away something is.
So, let's say you have two microwave ovens. You're running one of them on HIGH and one of them on MEDIUM. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that those are two different strengths of microwave energy.
What that means in terms of astrophysics is the microwave running higher would be farther away, and the microwave running lower would be nearer to you. That's how they measure it.
So, the entire known Universe has been cataloged by comparing these different frequencies of microwave radiation, and then saying that's the distance of the object.
Dr. Halton Arp is the cataloger of many of the galaxies we now call the Arp galaxies. He was a really pioneering astronomer. He realized the model was flawed, because all these galaxies have a distribution that looks like a cone, pointing away from the Earth in every direction. [Normally we would expect galaxy clusters to be roughly spherical or disc-shaped, not looking like extended cones everywhere we point a telescope in the night sky].
This would imply we are in the center of the Universe, and the whole Universe looks the way it does because it's all oriented around us.
Well, that sounds a lot like the Flat Earth theory all over again. So it really looks like, in fact, redshift has very little to do with distance. The astronomy community has been fighting him for 30 years about this, hence the title of the book was "Seeing Red," which is kind of funny.
As a result, there have been other people who have come forward and studied this, and found even more interesting anomalies. This gets into Dr. William Tifft.
Now stick with me, because this is going somewhere really important; I'm not just rambling.
G: All right.
D: It might sound like it, but it's very important.
G: I've been to some of your conferences, David.
D: [Laughs]
G: [Laughs]
D: Dr. William Tifft studied these redshift microwave emissions, as they are called, and noticed something very interesting. They only occur in certain numerical values, such as 36 kilometers per second or 72 kilometers per second, with nothing in between.
Think about the numbers. If Richard was here, he'd be saying, "The numbers! The physics!"
G: Well, he's listening to you, because he's sending me messages while you talk.
D: [Laughs] "Don't let him talk about Edgar Cayce! My God!" Right? [Laughs]
G: I haven't got that one yet, but I've had a few others.
D: It's a fascinating thing that Richard was willing to work with me at all, because he certainly didn't want this aspect – the Cayce thing – to be promoted. It's not that he doesn't believe it, but it's a testament to how strong he feels my data is that he's willing to partner up with me like that. And I thank him for that.
We've actually been – I've been passing him information in one capacity or another since 1996.
G: Okay, but channel in on this. I want to get your reasoning for this.
D: So Dr. William Tifft had what he called "quantized redshift." This means that it only occurs in certain quantities, and there's nothing in between. It's like discrete steps.
Now it gets REALLY cool when we bring in another guy by the name of Dr. Harold Aspden, a free energy researcher – his website is www.energyscience.org.uk [URL corrected for transcript]. He has a whole huge set of tutorials on his website which explain basic physics. It starts with Maxwell's equations for electromagnetic energy, and then builds on that to include, ultimately, the idea that there are planes of existence within the aether, as he called it.
He postulates that there is this energy field beneath physical matter, which gives rise to physical matter. In other words, it's creating all the atoms and molecules we see every moment.
And in fact, when he crunched the numbers, he found there are different densities of this aether – different strengths of it.
When he converted those numbers into kilometers per second, they were identical to what we actually see in the galaxies [in the work of Dr. William Tifft].
So what that means is that these galaxies are giving off values of light – microwave light, in this case, which is higher than visible light – and the light is telling us there are different planes of existence in these galaxies.
Now Tifft went a step further – the guy who actually discovered the quantized redshift. He noticed that every galaxy has ripples [of these microwave energy levels] coming away from the center. They look like the ripples on the surface of a pond when you drop a stone into it.
Those ripples appear, based on my research, to be expanding away from the center of the galaxy.
G: Are they ongoing?
D: Yeah!
G: All right.
D: Eventually, when enough of them expand away from the center, it will ultimately push all the stars to the outside edge, and that's when you get a ring galaxy. That's the last thing it does before it actually implodes upon itself.
G: It's like when you're a kid, and you drop a little tiny floating boat in the lake, and those ripples just keep pushing it away, farther and farther and farther.
D: Exactly. Now imagine you have a phonograph, a record album, with a little needle on it. Some of our listeners are probably old enough to know that, but we won't name any names.
Let's say that as this record album is going around, there are also clouds, if you will, that are expanding away from the center.
Now the solar system is sort of like the needle in the groove of the record. We're not really going to move around that much. We're basically going to stay in a track, like a racehorse going around in a racetrack.
G: All right. You heard the music there, David. We'll be back in a moment at the top of the hour with David Wilcock, on Coast to Coast AM.
[Break – End of Hour 2.]Our second hour on Coast took a step into the Twilight Zone, with a discussion of parallel realities, Montauk and 2012. Read it here!
Coast to Coast AM with George Noory
David Wilcock, June 19, 2007 — Part II
G: And yes. Our special guest tonight is David Wilcock. We're going to be back with him more as we talk about how all of this ties into 2012. Then I'll put up phone lines and you can chat with him too. We'll be back in a moment on Coast to Coast AM.
[Break]
G: Back with David. David, let's move on a little bit here and tie this into global warming, which you also believe might be happening again throughout the solar system. How does this all tie in?
D: Essentially, my model is validated by a variety of top-secret reports which seem to go back to even the 1950s and 40s. There is strong evidence our governments have been aware that we are moving into a domain of energy in the galaxy that has a higher energetic charge.
This movement would have certain noticeable effects on every planet throughout the Solar System, which we are now seeing. We are seeing huge increases in the brightness of planets and moons, the magnetic field strength, the amount of storm activity – even the rotation speed of Saturn is changing.
We put together over 100 different references on this in the paper I wrote with Richard Hoagland called "Interplanetary Day After Tomorrow." You can basically ask me, if you want to, any planet, and I'll give you a list of specific details for that planet in terms of how it is changing.
G: [Surprised] Really?
D: Yeah.
G: Okay. Does that also have a bearing, or does that also tell us exactly why it's happening here?
D: I certainly would not propose that we ignore our carbon emissions. However, there's no SUVs on these planets. There's no industrial pollution.
G: [Laughs]
D: And yet, they're changing just like our planets.
G: Yeah. If anything, maybe even faster.
D: That's true. Pluto is moving away from the Sun, but it's actually experiencing global warming even though it's supposedly moving into a colder region of space. It's like that on every planet.
Neptune has gotten 40 percent brighter, in the near-infrared range of the spectrum, just between 1996 and 2002 – in a six-year period. 40-percent brightness increase!
G: More and more scientists [agree with you] – and I'm seeing this now. As you know, I believe global warming is really caused by earth cycles.
D: Right.
G: And it's been here. It's going to be here. More and more scientists seem to be jumping on that bandwagon. They're changing their mind. But I don't know why they're changing their minds. They took the posture that it was all manmade, now they're slowly coming around. How come?
D: It just has to do with the sheer weight of evidence. The Great Global Warming Swindle, that UK documentary that probably everyone has seen on this show, makes a very compelling case for long-term cycles – which I believe are called Milankovitch cycles. They basically drive warming on the Earth.
So this is nothing new. The climate is constantly in a state of fluctuation. When you start seeing it throughout the whole solar system – we've seen Abdussamatov, this guy who is written up in National Geographic, comparing global warming on the Earth to Mars. There have been a few other guys trying to link this stuff together.
It would appear – and this gets into what Richard will be talking about, in part, tomorrow night about NASA – that NASA is distinctly aware of what is going on, and there has been a moratorium on discussing it.
I would be inclined to say it's not so much that they're discovering it, as it is what they're being allowed to talk about.
Robert Hansen recently came forward and explained that the White House was censoring hundreds of press releases of the science of global warming.
G: Mm hm!
D: And, they are specifically trying to eliminate references suggesting that something is happening, so that it always stays sort of vague.
G: Hm.
D: Also, in the honeybee collapse article Richard and I put together, the first part of it, we cited the scientist from NASA who was working on the gas around the solar system on the outside. He explained that NASA had a persistent, pernicious bias against him doing this research.
Now 'pernicious', if you look it up, means "deadly, evil and insidious." So why would some guy – doing this obscure research about how thick the clouds of energy are around the solar system on the outside – be getting death threats from NASA if he publishes this research which may be showing that the gas is getting thicker?
In fact, there is research that shows that now.
G: You would think that they'd welcome his work!
D: No kidding. But in fact, it appears that if you start getting into the black-ops whistleblower testimony, which is another area we could do whole shows on – I've had the privilege of meeting multiple witnesses, some of whom have said NASA has been well aware of this for a long time – they basically know that it's happening in 2012. It's a final crossing point.
G: Devastating, in 2012?
D: That's what they think. Yes. That's what they think.
It's very interesting. If you went to the movies a few months ago, there was a film that came out called The Last Mimzy.
G: I did not see the Last Mimzy.
D: Oh. Well, a lot of people have tried to discredit Dan Burisch, a witness I have had extensive conversation with, on the phone, on email, et cetera. And yet, the Last Mimzy is a precise parroting of almost everything he has said.
Now, one could argue they were just drawing off of his story for Hollywood script ideas, which is certainly possible.
G: Sure.
D: But you start seeing the same data surfacing over and over again.
And by the way, I actually did get a message on the email from Burisch tonight, and he said he would be willing to do the show again.
G: Let's do it!
D: Very good.
G: Would you also tell him his mother is looking for him?
D: Yeah. We… [laughs] That's a long story.
G: I know, but it is his mother.
D: I know.
G: [Disappointed] Yeah…
D: Dan is a very interesting guy. I have a lot of respect for him. It was through him that I discovered that all this work I'm putting together, in terms of the physics, was actually well known on the inside.
G: For people who don't know who we're talking about, he worked in bio-science in the Area 51 section of Nevada.
D: Correct.
G: He is no longer there. Is that correct?
D: That is correct. However, he is still an adjunct member of Majestic.
G: Is he in hiding?
D: No.
G: Well, how come his mother can't find him, then?
D: Um… [pause]
G: Well, you don't want to get into it.
D: That's something you might want to ask him when you get him on the show.
G: [Conciliatory] All right.
D: He just wanted to say that he feels like he… this is tough to say, but he wants to be treated with respect. I guess he was emotionally triggered the last time he was on. I think we can come to an agreement.
I think it's important that everybody hear his perspective, because it actually is positive.
On the surface, a lot of people have taken the Burisch story and ran with it in a doomy direction. He actually doesn't say that.
Now in his perspective, the [entities involved in the] Roswell crash were time travelers from our future, after a micro-genetic evolution. This is exactly the model I've been building up to here with these galactic energy zones.
So maybe we should talk about that. We don't want to stray too far from the 2012 model. I think, George, it's a brilliant idea you've had to start orienting a focus, a sequence – which Jay Weidner also was suggesting this last week – a sequence of shows about 2012, because this is only five and a half years away!
G: I know it is! It's coming up fast, David. And if it has the kind of potential calamity that we're all beginning to think…
Here we are having astronomers and meteorologists, astro-meteorologists, beginning to say, "Look, we think the sun is going to have a major change around 2011, 2012." I mean, that's pretty darn strange, David!
D: This is the Solar Maximum. I remember when Jay Weidner was on your show, he was explaining how even Solar Minimum has broken the records so far beyond anything that was expected. In 2003 there was a solar flare that was at X40, which they didn't even have a scale for. They've actually had to rebuild satellites, because the satellites weren't even built to handle the amount of solar energy that's coming out.
Then when you start reading ancient scriptures from the Hindu Vedas, where they talk about something called the "Somvarta fire at the end of an Age", what are they talking about?
G: Well, I'll tell you how much I've changed, David. When I first came into this program, I said, "I believe…" You know, I've got this little intuitive gut myself, though I wasn't Edgar Cayce. I may have been something else. Maybe Edgar's pool boy or something.
D: [Laughs]
G: I came into this saying, "I believe 2012 will be an age of enlightenment", that nothing was going to happen of any calamity, and that it was going to be a good period for the world.
As I have evolved in this program, I don't think that way any more. It's not that I'm enlightened or spiritual or anything like that. I think the Mayans weren't that New Agey, that esoteric. They were real science. I think something is going to happen, and I think it is based around the Sun and the Solar System.
D: I would just encourage someone to suggest that:
The Bachelor's degree is Armageddon. The Ph.D. is Ascension.
You have to do a lot more research to get to the Ph.D., and be able to prove it scientifically, than to get your bachelor's degree.
I don't mean that in any way to sound insulting, and if it does, I apologize. I do not believe that we are dealing with an Armageddon scenario.
G: I hope you're right!
D: You've got to understand. My work created ripples in the black-ops community. They're saying, "How does this kid figure all this stuff out? How does he know what he knows?" I've had a number of high-ranking people come to me and say, "We don't know how you figured this out."
No one has paid me or taken me into any kind of secret oath or anything like that. In fact I was invited into a quasi-Illuminati sister group at one point and I turned it down.
G: Why didn't you go just to infiltrate?
D: It's not a milieu you want to be messing with, considering the hypnotic drugs they have and the ritual stuff that goes on. I would not want to… [Laughs]
I know at the higher levels they look down on what they call "the slicers and dicers," and they sit through those rituals the same way somebody might sit through Catholic Mass. They're not really into it.
G: And you could get drawn into that. You've got that kind of personality.
D: I have been through so much initiation in my life. I watched my girlfriend get hit by a car and shoot 30 feet through the air.
G: Oh my God, David!
D: It was a week after we had just gotten back from Dr. Greer's Disclosure Project conference, during which, on the way to the conference, I lost the brakes on my car and almost had a head-on collision in DC rush-hour traffic.
I've had attempts on my life. I watched her body in the hospital as it was being wheeled into the ER for emergency surgery. So I've seen everything.
G: Is she okay? Did she make it?
D: Yeah. In fact, she ended up doing better in the end than in the beginning.
The point is that during that time, I was able to read and start researching about the Illuminati in terms of the real nitty-gritty of the rituals that they've done. There is a certain point at which you become conditioned to reading about some of these heinous acts of torture on other human beings.
It's not that I would ever want to participate in them. At the same time, there's really nothing you could show me or tell me that would shock me anymore.
G: I had a chance to talk with Ron Paul, who's running for the presidency on the Republican side. He wants to get the nomination. He may be one of the few candidates who has an undertone of belief that the Illuminati exists, that the Illuminati is out to manipulate this planet and will do whatever it has to do.
Though we didn't talk specifically about that, I think he believes that.
D: I would certainly agree, insofar as there has been an ongoing tradition of people on the inside who know about this. The one augmentation I would give is that there are actually two major groups – and many splinter groups, but two major groups that are decidedly opposed to each other but begrudgingly work together.
The Illuminati is primarily a European, Luciferian-based group. They have these ancient mystery traditions and were persecuted by Christians. Therefore, they said, "Whoever the Christians threw out of heaven must be the good guy, because we know we had the right stuff going before they ever came along." So they adopted a Luciferian philosophy.
The elements of the Neo-Con side, which you could consider the New World Order or Majestic, are very anti-Illuminati, actually – and there is a war going on. It is a war behind the scenes, in which, for example, they do not want to allow a one-world government to happen.
The Illuminati side wants this anti-Christ world leader to emerge. The Majestic makes sure there will never be a one-world government, specifically to avoid that prophecy from happening.
G: Hm.
D: That's another long discussion, and a big side-tangent from what we're trying to talk about.
G: So you don't believe in the big calamity of 2012. I think it's possible.
D: Oh, I'm not saying there's not going to be a physical calamity. I absolutely think there will be.
G: All right, what are you saying, then?
D: When you see a ship coming out of the Bermuda Triangle and there's nobody on the ship, but there's still eggs frying on the stovetop…
G: [Laughs]
D: …and there's no evidence of people on the ship…
G: Yeah, but it's still weird. It's still strange. You know something happened.
D: Absolutely.
G: You're saying the ship didn't get destroyed.
D: I'm saying that biological life, as opposed to rough physical matter, has an interdimensional quality that is not well appreciated. All of these Russian studies of DNA are giving us glimpses of it.
When you accelerate the molecular vibration – the actual speed of the atomic action – past light speed, which can be done, you reach something they call 'crescendo' in black-ops, which I only learned recently.
Once you hit 'crescendo,' you phase over into a parallel universe, which is where ghosts exist. It's where you go when you dream. It's where you go when you die. There are people over there. You can live over there. It's a whole parallel universe that co-exists with our own.
It's sort of like pushing a beach ball down below the surface of a pool of water. The beach ball appears to not exist from our vantage point, which is above the surface of the water. If you look under the water, it's there.
One of the interesting experiments that shows this is from David Hudson, who is into the ORMES elements, or monatomic elements. He took monatomic iridium and heated it up to 800 degrees Celsius – whereupon this substance, a special version of iridium, would disappear from physical, visible sight.
The weight would disappear from the scale it was on, but only when you kept the area it was in hot – above 800 degrees Celsius.
When you cooled the area back down, the monatomic iridium re-appeared – and regained its mass!
G: That's weird.
D: What that means is that when you get to monatomic elements, you are dealing with a geometric structure – a harmonic structure in the way the elements are constructed. That harmonic geometry allows for something as simple as temperature, which is just a vibration, to actually cause it to move past light speed very easily, once you get above a critical temperature.
When you move it above light speed, it displaces, like the beach ball going under the surface of the water. It displaces into a higher dimension.
To us it seems to disappear, but over there it appears. That's why when you see these Earth Lights, like in Hessdalen, Norway, they keep winking in and out of visible existence. If you look at them in infrared, they are there the whole time – they just keep becoming visible and invisible.
Similarly, there is a lot of anecdotal black-ops data [on this]. It is not credible in the sense of science yet, but it all points towards stargate phenomena, in which the body can warp into these other planes of existence and return undamaged.
G: Why can't we travel that way, then?
D: It's not that we can't – it's that it's not being openly used.
The Philadelphia Experiment was an accident that was based on, initially, a discovery made from very high-intensity arc welding of the hulls of battleships in Norfolk Naval Shipyard.
They discovered, by filming this phenomenon, that the tools that were showing up missing after they did these enormous arc-welds were going through this black hole that would appear in the room.
Then they studied this more and were able to create a containment field around a ship, which initially was only for radar invisibility.
G: What? Now are you saying that as they were repairing ships with the welding and the arcing, somehow this created some kind of hole or portal?
D: That's correct. [It was new ship construction, not repair – welding huge sheets of steel together. The electromagnetic intensity was so high that it caused space-time to accelerate past light speed and create a doorway into time-space.]
G: And the equipment they had would somehow fall into it or disappear?
D: That's right. Tools would disappear, and they didn't know where they went. At first they didn't think anything was going on, but when they actually filmed tools physically dematerializing, and these black holes showing up in the room, that's when they said, "Wow, we've got something very strange going on here."
G: What about the welding? The military type who was working on the ship?
D: They did lose some personnel. Especially once the Philadelphia Experiment was conducted.
This gets into a whole other interesting area of stargates, where the technology has been used to create jump-gates that have open [traversable] wormholes [that remain stable from one place to another, and can be used at any time]…
G: All right. I've gotta talk with you about stargates, when we come back. That is AMAZING.
David Wilcock, our guest. Next hour, we're going to open up the phone lines. Plus, we're going to talk to David about his new movie. He's moved to Los Angeles – he's a neighbor of ours – about Convergence. We'll be back.
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G: OK, David, let's run with this incredible story you've been talking about. Now stargates and portals. Explain please.
D: This gets into time travel as well. I actually had extensive contact with someone who claims to have worked on the Montauk project. This is not Swerdlow or Bielek or Preston Nichols or anyone who has come forward. This guy chooses to go by the pseudonym Daniel, and he has NOT come forward – except to me.
G: How did you find him, if you can tell us?
D: The short, quick version, because we don't have a lot of time, is that I got stranded in Albany, visiting my mother one winter, in the Albany airport.
G: That happens. In Albany! [Laughs]
D: I had to take a little shuttle bus to a hotel. I was hungry. I was planning on eating when I got to her house, and I ended up going to a Denny's.
I had brought this Montauk Project book with me, basically almost as a joke. I bought it years ago and thought it was all completely ridiculous.
I'm reading it in the Denny's, and this guy walks by who actually looked like a biker. He had a big burly beard, a leather jacket on, dingy denim pants. [Laughs]
This dude says, "So you're interested in that, huh?" And I said, "Well, not really." Then he said, "Well, I worked at Montauk." And I just laughed!
G: To yourself. [Laughs]
D: Well, no!
G: [Laughs] Really! All right.
D: I was trained in Martial Arts, so [I wasn't scared of him]…
G: Oh, okay. All right. [Laughs]
D: I laughed! It was just a very natural, spontaneous reaction. And he kept on going with it. I started asking him questions.
The next thing I knew, after about 20 minutes of interrogation, I realized that something really happened to this guy. He's not lying.
I've since been able to have multiple, long interactions with him. He described that there was a seat that came out of one of these ships. To make a long, long story short, they hooked it up to a very, very high-intensity power supply.
You had to do something called "zeroing out" the chair. There were 22, something like that, wavelengths coming from somebody's mind. When they are meditating [in the chair], they try to get to a place they call 'quiet point,' where you have no mental activity. Then they would flatten out all these sine-wave graphs that would be the description of your mind.
[Normally the graphs are very active during regular mind activity, but a very good meditator can bring them all to a stop. Some will be flat, some will be steep sine-wave curves, others in between – and they would tune the chair so each graph was a flat line. Then they could turn the power on.]
Once they flatten them out, and they zero out the chair, as it's called, then whatever you think would manifest in the room – supposedly. Now this includes materialization of objects as physical things.
G: Mm hm.
D: It also included scary mind-control stuff. More importantly, when you thought about a particular place, portals would appear in the room that you could actually send people through. In many cases they didn't make it, but in a lot of cases they would – and you could go to another place.
It was only later in the project that they discovered they were actually able to go through time as well as space.
This sounds completely outlandish. However, what we're coming to understand is that this parallel reality I was speaking of before the break is a domain where space and time are completely inverted.
In other words, here, we have what appears to be, according to Einstein, one dimension of time, which basically just moves forward like a river – and three dimensions of space.
That one dimension of time is the only one we can see. Time is actually three-dimensional. There is a system of physics from Dewey Larson called Reciprocal System, where if you actually attack time as being three-dimensional – which gets into Richard's hyperdimensional physics…
G: Right…
D: Then you can solve all the problems of quantum physics very easily.
The deal is this. If you transition yourself over to time-space, and you walk ten feet in time-space and then you re-enter here, without going back to the point that you started from, you will have traveled in time when you come back over to this side of the fence.
In the ancient legends of the fairy circles, when you enter a fairy ring, on the other side you see these little people like gnomes, fairies, dwarves and so forth…
G: Mm hm.
D: …it is very important that you exit the fairy circle the same way you went in the first time, or else you will actually travel in time.
That's in a lot of these old medieval grimoires.
So it appears, from what he was telling me, that when you hyper-accelerate someone's vibration to this higher dimension, they can move over there – and what is a physical movement in space over there is a movement in time over here.
When you crank yourself back down into our time, into our side of the fence, in these two domains – space-time and time-space – you've actually traveled in time.
Apparently, they found a 20-year sine wave that came out from the printouts of the chair. The chair had hundreds and hundreds of different graphs that could be printed out.
This 20-year wave is apparently related to the harmonics of the Earth's vibration. They were able to precisely calculate where in time somebody was by how far along this sine wave went.
G: That's incredible!
D: Yeah! And this is not stuff I've ever heard from any other Montauk witnesses.
What they found was that on exactly December 21, 2012, all the hundreds of wavelengths that the chair would crank out went flatline – for five or six seconds.
Now all these dudes at the top levels of the program were salivating to try to get that data. During the exact moment that people were traveling through what looked like a wormhole, like you see in Contact at the end of the movie, or in Stargate SG-1, for example…
G: Mm hm.
D: During that time, it's like you get thumped, really really hard, by energy. You hit a wall of energy, basically. They call it the 'bump'. They also called it the "Full Out."
When you hit this wall, you experience cosmic consciousness. You feel as if you know everything. You are in complete spiritual ecstasy. You could be the size of the galaxy. You could be the size of an atom. Everything you would ever want to know is there.
It's complete euphoria. You have no sense of time passing. Then also, Daniel's research concluded that anything you see after 2012 is completely based on the prejudices of the person running the chair, and the prejudices of the person who is seeing the experience.
G: Really?
D: In other words, it seems to be a wrinkle in time, where you have to pass through this point where all the graphs would go flatline.
They could never get that data, but that's what they wanted. They wanted to play it back through the chair without someone in it, and then go through it themselves. If they could get it to a point where it was systematic [and automatic, without the need for a human operator, they would be happy].
A lot of these guys didn't want to go through the [vortex created by the] chair themselves. They didn't want to lose their lives. They were really, seriously wanting to know what was happening when people would hit this bump in 2012.
That also ties in with Burisch's material, where it appears from his information that there is this surge of energy from the center of the galaxy and the Sun that bombards us with what he calls "micro-wormholes" [some time around 2012].
[Micro-wormholes] actually have a stimulating effect on DNA. I have a whole huge amount of science on that. We can talk about the product I have at the end of the show, [the Science of Peace,] where I talk about that.
All of the black-ops stuff I'm hearing, which seems the most credible, keeps saying the same thing [about 2012, matter and energy]. The physical vibration of matter as we know it is ultimately geometric. We could do a whole show on that with Richard Hoagland and me about the geometry of the quantum field, quantum physics.
Geometry can change shape by increasing its frequency. It can change from one form to another.
Physical matter can do that. That's why these objects are disappearing, like in the Philadelphia Experiment with the arc-welding, as I said; with the monatomic iridium when you raise it above 800 degrees Celsius; and with the Bermuda Triangle, where you have whole fleets of planes that just disappear. There is no flotsam, no wreckage, no oil on the surface of the ocean. They are just gone.
G: Do they ever come back?
D: Sometimes they do. There was one guy who went through the Bermuda Triangle and said he went into a green mist. He lost all his navigational instruments and felt very strange. In his case he actually managed to come out alive.
Other people have seen strange vortexes of clouds that they flew through. There is actually a case of a Korean Airlines jet – a 747 – that lost radar contact for 10 minutes.
They're sitting there in the cockpit of the plane, listening to the control tower, and they had no perception that time had elapsed. One minute they're talking to the control tower and everything's fine, then all of a sudden everybody in the control tower is screaming, "What's wrong with you, what's wrong, are you OK, are you OK?"
They said, "What are you talking about? We were just talking to you a minute ago." They said, "No, you've been dead air for 10 minutes. [They also were not visible on the radar – they had vanished.]
Then when they landed, every single clock and timepiece on the entire plane was 10 minutes off.
G: That's weird.
D: So they just stepped out of time as we know it for 10 minutes. [They moved through a stable vortex into time-space, and traveled through it just far enough that when they came out, they had moved 10 minutes into the future. This might have only been a few feet of movement in time-space. The important part was that they did not exit time-space the same way they went in, thus accounting for the time difference.]
When they came back, their clocks had not advanced, but our time had. [Every timepiece on the plane, after it landed, was found to be 10 minutes too slow.]
So this is one of the really strange new physics things that we've had to learn. Time is locally variable.
You can have these Russian devices, called torsion field generators, in which you can actually change the flow of time. You can take an ordinary watch or timepiece, and have its measurement of time change when you zap it with this field.
G: What if something goes wrong, David? Could you destroy this space-time continuum? Could you send someone hurling into space, never to be seen again?
D: That was one of the concerns back during the Oppenheimer years with the atomic bomb testing – specifically because in an atomic explosion there is a warp field, in the hyperdimensional sense, that is created. They were wondering if it would have a spontaneous dimensional collapsing effect.
Now let's gate back [for a moment] into my heritage as Edgar Cayce reincarnated, allegedly, and the work that I have done with higher forms of consciousness in terms of direct communication with them.
Some of my clients have even had entities appear in the room – robed beings that are luminous – during the time they were having a reading from me. I certainly would not say that if they hadn't said to my face that this was true.
I believe very strongly that we are moving through a very protected game. In other words, this is not a situation where random apocalypse could happen to us. There are forces out there that are protecting us from disaster.
That goes back to Greer's Disclosure Project in 2001. I was there for the Closed Executive Summary Briefing for members of Congress and VIPs, on May 10, 2001.
G: That was at the National Press Club, that one?
D: No, this was the day after that. It was a closed briefing.
That's where Sgt. Clifford Stone actually broke down crying, which was much more intense than the [speech] he gave to the National Press Club, which you can actually watch on YouTube.
I met him that day and spoke to him personally. You can tell this guy has really seen UFO entities up close.
One of the important things that came out of that experience for me was all these testimonies about nuclear missiles being completely disarmed by UFOs.
Now the military has to achieve complete confidence that anything that could be a threat has been dealt with as a possible threat. So therefore, if a UFO hovers over a missile installation and powers down the whole installation, they have to see it as a hostile action.
Given the fact that these guys seem to be a lot older than we are and a lot more ethical than we are, I would be inclined to say that they are actually protecting us.
I have thousands of pages of free material on my website, www.divinecosmos.com, [which explains the vast spiritual context of the UFO phenomenon.]
G: Well, they're protecting us, David, but I also believe there must be something in the Universe that can be disrupted if there's an atomic hit like that.
D: Oh yeah! No question. It creates all sorts of problems – not just for our plane of existence but for these other planes in time-space. That's why, supposedly, the nuclear Armageddon would not be permitted; it would disrupt other forms of life whose free will would not be aligned with our own.
So it really does seem, when you get into the cosmic picture of things, that we're in a very carefully crafted game, whose purpose is soul evolution. We're here on Earth now where we have negative things we can look at, and we have positive things we can look at.
We can see death in one hand, we can see life in the other hand. These cosmic beings are designed to balance the spectrum, so that the death side never gets more overpowering than the life side.
G: David, go ahead. Finish up and then take a few minutes to tell me about what you're doing with the film.
D: Great. It does start to sound like an evangelical message. I understand that. I'm not trying to say that I'm a fundamentalist or anything like that, but I do believe that a lot of the principles of the Christian religion are right on, in terms of the science.
[Dr. Glen Rein proved] you can take a DNA molecule [in a tube] and have someone hold it in their hands and think of a certain emotion, like hatred, and the DNA will shrink up and become like a braid of hair.
If that same person thinks a thought of love, the DNA unwinds and extends in length. When it unwinds, it can become accessible by your body for healing. So this is the equation of cancer and anger.
G: I'm a huge believer in that. A HUGE believer in that.
D: So this all gets back to the idea that DNA is an antenna for consciousness.
The film I'm doing, CONVERGENCE: The Movie, is designed to be a Da Vinci Code-style mystery thriller, with a regular plot – not a talking-head documentary. We're going to have that [documentary version] on the DVD as a special feature [as well].
It probably won't be out until the end of next year. We're still at this point considering financing from various sources. We've actually turned down some sources already, because they weren't in alignment with what we want to do.
G: You didn't like the deal?
D: Well, it's a complicated story, and I…
G: Come on, David, I know Hollywood, now. You turn down a deal, it's because you don't like the offer. They wanted too much of your film, right?
D: Well, that's part of it.
G: [Laughs]
D: And frankly, one of these guys was from the Illuminati. I can't really [laughs] give away more than that, except to say that he said there's "trillions and trillions of dollars" available…
G: But they wanted to control what you're saying!
D: Well, yeah. They make it sound really good. "Well, all you have to do, we'll just move some money around in the bank for you, and then you can get this. It's no big deal."
Of course, on the back side of it there's a pitchfork. They have to get their cut.
G: The pitchfork! [Laughs]
D: Anyway, what initially started the film was I had been on Coast. This is my seventh appearance. A guy contacted me who was a nine-time Grammy award-winning musician.
G: All right.
D: He said, "I want to do some music with you." I said, "Well, that's fantastic!"
I went to his place in January 2005, and delivered three CDs worth of lectures on this material about consciousness science, the consciousness field, DNA, soul evolution, 2012, what we can do to prepare for it. We put an entirely original music soundtrack behind that, [ranging from sweet acoustic guitar, to funk, to deep-trance ambient, to acid jazz, to New Age meditative and all points in between.]
That's called the Science of Peace, and it's available on my website, www.divinecosmos.com. It's a download link. Once you order it, you get the email [with the link in it]. You have three days to download it. I would not recommend trying to download it tonight, because it's going to get really jammed.
Any time in the next three days is fine. If you can't download it, just send us an email, and we'll give you another download link.
Anyway, that in turn became the film. I did more research for the film [after finishing the series].
Then it got bottlenecked for two years. I couldn't release the Science of Peace series, even though it was a wonderful thing with all this great music. The lawyers were saying it was too similar to the film's content.
Thankfully, we've been through five rewrites of our script to get to this point, where we have a wonderful screenplay now. As a result of that, [our film] has now changed enough that the material on Science of Peace – which gets into the real practical things we can do to help the planet and help raise our own consciousness – can be released now. And I'm really happy about that.
G: And you believe in the project so much you moved to Los Angeles, right?
D: Yeah! I gave a lecture on Valentine's Day evening, at the Science of Mind church in LA. There was a guy there, in a crowd of about 13 people, whose mouth was hanging open the whole time I was lecturing. It was all about the science of consciousness.
If callers want to know more about this consciousness science in the next hour, we can go into that. The point is that he comes up to me at the end and says, "I'm a Hollywood producer. I've worked with Burt Reynolds, Sylvester Stallone, Dolly Parton, Dennis Quaid, yadda yadda yadda, and I would love to do a film with you."
He met me at the Hilton Hotel the next morning, where I was staying for a conference. One of the first things I said in the meeting is "Good God, I'm going to have to move to LA, aren't I?"
G: And you did. David, we'll be back in a moment. We'll open up the phone lines now. I know we've thrown a lot at you, but we'll take your questions next on Coast to Coast AM. I'm George Noory.
In this final section, we round out the 2012 model and take your phone calls — which delved deeply into the real soul of spiritual growth on this planet!
Coast to Coast AM with George Noory
David Wilcock, June 19, 2007 — Part III
G: We're going to take our phone calls right now, with our guest David Wilcock. David, I also want you to explain the ripples in that expanding effect that we didn't finish, when we come back on Coast to Coast AM.
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G: Hey David, let's finish up on that rippling effect story you were telling us, and then we'll go take the calls.
D: Sure. From an esoteric perspective, this gets back to the idea of galactic chakras: the idea that the galaxy is a sentient organism, much more evolved and much more intelligent than a human being.
Ultimately, when we penetrate this science, it is very important that people understand we're dealing with an energy field, which I call the Source Field. The Russians call it torsion fields.
This Source Field is the source of matter, the source of biological life, the source of consciousness – and in fact, one of the things I deal with in Science of Peace is that our conscious mind is not just our own thoughts. Other people's thoughts influence our conscious mind, and we interpret those feelings as if they were first person – as if we created them.
One of the real keys to being psychic is to realize that you're getting psychic information constantly, but you have an in-built bias to make it appear that it's your own thoughts.
How this relates to the galaxy, I believe, is that we're dealing with a sentient organism that programs life to evolve on its planets in set cycles of time, such as 62 million years or 26 million years.
We're at the end of the 62-million-year cycle. We're at exactly the halfway point of the 26-million year cycle. It appears that 2012 is the final point where we cross a discrete boundary, like the boundary of oil and water in a jar of salad dressing.
We cross this boundary in 2012. It actually upgrades physical matter on the planet, causing Bermuda Triangle, interdimensional warp phenomena. This includes the warping of the human body, which is what the Christians would think of as rapture or Ascension.
Many, many other ancient prophecies talk about this and say it creates a Golden Age. It also has triggered DNA evolution in the past. DNA is like a passive antenna for this consciousness energy.
In fact, you can take ordinary molecules – there's a guy on the Orgone site named Professor Ignacio Pacheco…
G: Orgone, William Reich's old idea.
D: Right. Exactly.
G: Yeah.
D: And this Dr. Pacheco took ordinary beach sand. He heated it to the point of white-hot luminescence, which killed anything alive by conventional standards. He did this inside a sterilized test tube.
The sterilized test tube was never opened. It had distilled water in it and just this beach sand. Then by just letting it cool down, this froth would grow on the surface. When you analyze that froth under a microscope, it has all these critters growing in it.
So it turns out that life – the field itself, the source field, has all the codes of DNA in it. This is what I go into through three CDs worth of lectures on that Science of Peace series. It is literally a living consciousness.
So what we're seeing in the Russian experiments, with Dr. Peter Gariaev, is that he took a salamander embryo, shined a laser beam through it – not a burning laser – and redirected it into a frog embryo.
The DNA completely re-tooled itself from being a frog into a salamander.
This little guy could grow into full adulthood, breed with regular salamanders, and their babies were salamanders. There was no evidence of it coming from a frog.
So I looked into the DNA molecule and discovered something called 'retrotransposons,' where you have these little particles that can break off from one area and go to another area, and literally rewrite the code.
In fact there was one scientist, Dr. Frances Hitching, who took the fruit fly Drosophila and consistently took out the genes for its eyes to be made. And yet, every fifth generation or so, the eyes would come back!
So, when people say "Which came first, the chicken or the egg," the answer is that they are both implicit in the Source Field.
You have to remember now that this explains why there are no shellfish between the clam and the bony fish. There's no fish with a skeleton that is half in and half out. Life is spontaneously evolving into new templates that are a combination of the intelligence of the galaxy, the intelligence of the Sun and the intelligence of the planet.
So we have to evolve our thinking into realizing that we are not the only sentient game in town.
When we are seeing interplanetary climate change in the Solar System, it is similar to the laser beam that zaps the salamander before it gets redirected to the frog.
We are the ones that are the frogs now, being transformed into the salamanders.
That's what the Great Pyramid was for.
The open tomb in the Pyramid harnessed the Earth's energy, and focalized and enhanced it. When you sit in there at the right time of the year, with the right geometric alignments and so forth, it could actually create a state where you would either die or move into this Ascended condition.
2012, again, represents something like the Bermuda Triangle effect, except it happens over the whole Earth. So my guidance, for what it's worth, has told me that everybody will actually warp into time-space, into this parallel reality we have, before these pole shifts and cataclysms occur.
Now that's what I have been led to believe. However, I think like in the movie The Matrix… you remember that scene where Morpheus says, "You think it's 1999, but it's actually the year 2199?"
G: Yeah. Yeah.
D: "And we created a computer simulation of your world at the peak of your civilization?"
What I think is going to happen – and this is very, very speculative, and I understand that – is that when we all flip over into this realm, people who are not ready to just move right on to a higher level will immediately recreate the Earth from memory.
They will not even realize that anything has changed, except that once you have gone over into this vortex area – which, by the way, if the Earth's frequency were to crank back down, you could reconstitute your physical body, just like people do when they come out of the Bermuda Triangle sometimes, or these stargates – when you're over there, you can start to have all these Ascended abilities, just by trying.
If you think hard enough about levitation, you will levitate. If you think about healing, you will heal. If you think about other people's thoughts, you will hear them.
So we are moving into a very interesting area. I think a lot of these shows like Ghost Whisperer and Medium, in which you are seeing people who appear to have crossed over but don't realize it, and they have to figure it out – these shows are sending messages to us.
Once this happens [to us], we want to figure it out. We want to know that something has happened.
So this is a very exciting time. It's not a time to be afraid. All the prophecies, which come from very credible sources, seem to suggest that this is actually a marvelous quantum evolution.
Some of the sources I consult, like the Law of One series from the early 1980s, make it very clear – they don't consider the Earth Changes a big deal, basically because we won't be here when they happen.
The way the physics works is that our frequency shifts before the cataclysms actually start.
So what we're seeing right now, with the exposure of government corruption and the Earth Changes we're already seeing, is about as bad as it's going to get. We're in the physics now.
Richard wanted to remind me to tell you guys this is not a cosmic switch that flips in 2012. We are deeply enmeshed in this physics now.
That's why it's so important that we do a series of shows on Coast, and bring in the hardest-hitting scholars. I'm so grateful, George, that you want to do that, because we need this message to get out to more people.
We need to understand you're not sitting here and waiting in the backyard with a beer and a bong for 2012. Something's happening right now…
G: [Laughs]
D: And if you're not [laughs] participating in your own spiritual evolution, you're going to get rocked.
G: All right, to the calls we go, David. Are you ready?
D: Yep.
G: Here we go, because they're waitin' for ya. Let's go East of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hi there.
Mary: Hi. Is this George?
G: Yes it is.
Mary: Oh my God, this is Mary from a Chicago suburb, north suburb. The reason I called, I love you guys. I've been listening for at least 10 years. I'm so nervous, I'm sorry. I'm on the air now?
G: You sure are.
D: I can hear you just fine, Mary, so why don't you ask a question?
Mary: Okay, yes. My question is, up here where I live, near the Wisconsin-Illinois border, about 65 miles north of Chicago, there's been this lit-up triangle. Since January I've been watching this thing.
I just would like to know if anybody knows what it is. Either you guys, or the listeners, or maybe I missed it on Coast, if somebody explained what it is.
It's a large white lit-up triangle in the sky, in the north sky. North from us.
D: Are you saying it appears as if this is the diameter of the moon in size?
Mary: It's a little bit smaller than the moon.
D: Okay.
Mary: But it's pretty large. It lights up the sky like the moon does.
D: And you're saying it's always in the same place, or does it move around?
Mary: It's usually in the same place. For the past six months, it's been in the northern sky.
G: Hm!
D: Well first of all, it's important to remember that you're not crazy.
Mary: Okay. [Laughs]
D: If even one UFO sighting is real, then there is something going on.
Mary: It's not moving, though. I mean, it just stays in the same place. Just recently, it's moved from the North. I didn't see it move, but it's not in the northern sky anymore. It's over the Eastern sky now.
D: How bright is it? What is the level of brightness?
Mary: It's about as bright as a crescent moon.
D: Okay. And you're saying it's all white.
Mary: All white. It's a triangle.
D: Well, it's possible that you're seeing some kind of manifestation of the Earth's grid, which is geometric in form. There were a number of people that reported seeing cities floating in the sky, early in the 20th century. That goes back to the Fortean anomalies, from Charles Fort.
So it could be possible that you're seeing some sort of Grid bleed-through. As we get closer to 2012, these hyper-spatial realities are going to be intersecting more and more with our conventional reality.
So I would encourage you, if you see it again, to meditate and be with it. There is energy that comes from these geometric phenomena that will accelerate consciousness.
You will probably feel a nice tingling sensation up your spine, which is kundalini. You may feel almost as if you are levitating. If you start getting those sensations when you see something like that, just tune in and get really still inside yourself. Try to ask a question.
Whatever thoughts float into your mind will generally be the answer. You just have to figure out what it is.
G: Okay. Thanks for the call. First time caller line, your turn. Hi!
Dave: Yeah, hi. This is Dave. Is this George and Dave?
G: Dave. How are you?
Dave: Well, I love your show. Great show tonight. You've covered a lot of areas.
Let's see. My question pretty much goes back to the existentialism you were talking about. If people can't feel it right now, then they're really in trouble, I think.
It seems like, to me, the climate change is coming, and it's not going to be as drastic as they think. As far as the movement towards a higher consciousness, I feel it every day. I become more attuned to things.
I guess here's my question. All my life I've had this feeling I should be doing much more than I'm doing. I'm a factory worker but I'm an excellent artist; I can draw anything I look at.
Do you think like some past life regression or something, going back to that, would help?
D: You raise a very interesting point, Dave. There is an increasing tension that people are feeling between the work that must be done to maintain a physical body and the work that nourishes the spiritual body.
A lot of people are feeling disconnected from the spiritual body by what they have to do to support the physical body.
Dave: Right.
D: I just wanted to point this out. I had jobs for years that paid five or six bucks an hour while I was working on all this material.
Dave: Right.
D: Essentially, one of the real core spiritual principles that we're dealing with is initiation. And in one sense, if you can bring in a sacramental attitude to the mundane life, that has such enormous power in terms of the experiences you will start having.
Even if you are working in a factory, or wherever you are, you will start having people meet you out of the blue and say things to you that precisely recall what you were just thinking in your own mind.
Dave: Yes.
D: You'll have more and more of these synchronicities. So I would encourage you to pursue your artwork, and pursue your creative outlets.
We all are suffering from this feeling that God, or the Creator, has abandoned us. I ultimately believe the way we reconnect is by becoming the Creator. And that's done by creativity.
Dave: I think you misread me on that.
D: Okay. Go ahead.
Dave: I feel like I've become more attuned with myself. I've seen a lot of strange things in my life. I'm 35 years old. I have seen a UFO. I have seen spirits. Call me crazy, whatever.
G: You're not going to get that on this program!
Dave: [Laughs]
D: Where is the misunderstanding? I'm trying to, okay.
Dave: It seemed that you thought I had a negative attitude towards my life, which I don't.
D: Okay. It's important, Dave, to remember…
Dave: I just thought maybe you would know exercises that could help me to open up the mind more.
G: Tune him up, David! That's what he wants. He wants to be a little more enlightened. He feels like he's opened, and he wants to tap into it a little bit more.
D: Okay. Some very important exercises.
First of all, I would recommend that you maintain an even keel of frequency in your mind as much as possible. That means stress is the killer. Stress will take you away from the ability to have coherent consciousness.
These torsion fields we're talking about require steadiness. When you go through stress, it takes three days for all those hormones to clear from your body. During that time, you're a lot less intuitive.
So I recommend to people, when they start getting triggered by stress, step away from the source of the stress for five minutes. Breathe and relax if possible. That's step one.
Step two, to really connect with your Higher Self, remember that every morning you are being given a huge treasure chest with gold doubloons in it. That is from the deep sea of your subconscious mind in dreams.
A lot of people say, "Well, I never remember a dream." The point is that if you wake up in the morning before the alarm goes off – you can set your alarm a little later than is necessary, just so you have the time – don't move when you wake up.
Stay perfectly still in bed. Let yourself wake up slowly.
Most people nowadays are in the habit of just slamming themselves awake. All of the cool things that led to my being able to do readings came as a result of waking up slowly in the morning, observing my mind and just paying attention to it.
If you wake up in the morning and you can remember a dream, try to remember as much of it as you can and then write it down. Dreams are a symbolic communication from your Higher Self. They will always be the most important thing you need to know.
The key is deciphering it. You may need to gather that data for a length of time before you'll start making sense out of it. But, at the same time that you can remember new details in the dream, when you are waking up and really groggy, you can start paying attention to all these little snapshots of data that are showing up in your mind.
You can start to notice that you don't have to exert any effort to think about them. They just float up out of nowhere.
A lot of people just discard that as imagination, but that is precisely what remote viewers are tapping into when they are doing remote viewing. It's what I tap into when I am doing a reading.
The more you go in and listen to it, write it down and document what it is saying, no matter how crazy it sounds – because a lot of it will sound schizophrenic in the beginning – just write it down, [and it will gradually become clearer and more coherent].
You want to be your own best skeptic. You do not want to assume that everything you say is true, or that it is all coming from the right place.
You want to gather that data. That's where, sooner or later, if you really want to practice this, and you really want to run with the ball, you can open up a direct communication with your Higher Self.
A lot of the protocols of how to make sure it doesn't go to the negative side are actually in George's book, Worker in the Light, which again I say is a great book, because he actually gives those protocols.
[The most important protocol is to be in a state of uplifting gratitude while seeking the information – never angry, sad or depressed. Do not analyze or attempt to understand any of the data, just write it down. Try not to have any emotional reaction to what you are getting.
Also make sure your physical body is not in any distress – not thirsty, hungry, in physical pain or needing to go to the bathroom. Just concentrate on the deepest meditation you can get, and try to record the data as clearly as possible without analysis.]
G: All right, David. We are approaching the halfway mark of this hour. We're going to be back in a moment. We're going to take your phone calls when we continue with the remaining questions for David Wilcock. His website, www.divinecosmos.com. It is linked up right now at www.coasttocoastam.com.
So we'll be back in a moment, and we'll wrap things up by taking your final calls.
[Break]
Yes, on our next Coast to Coast program, Richard C. Hoagland will be here. He's assembled a group of people. We're going to be talking about the next space program. So some real science with Richard C, right here on Coast to Coast AM.
[Break]
G: Okay, back to the phones with David Wilcock. Let's go to our Wild Card line. Hello there!
Michele: Hi! This is Michele. Hello, David?
D: Hi Michele! How are you doing?
Michele: I'm doing good. A lot of beautiful things you're saying. Lots of positivity coming out.
D: I appreciate that.
Michele: I appreciate what you're doing. I've visited your website a few times and just the other night I was reading where you were talking about 2012, all the things you're talking about tonight.
I ran across one sentence where you finished it by saying, "I have to stop and mention that I just saw 11:11 on the clock!"
G: [Laughs]
Michele: And I've seen that. I've seen it for many years. It's been of huge Divine help to me and my whole family. I just wanted to hear what you had to say about it. [Laughs]
D: Well, thank you! That's a great pitch that I can hit out of the park. And it doesn't require a whole lot of words, because we have a lot of calls, I guess.
The idea here is that synchronicity can come to people in a variety of ways. I've heard of some people who get it by finding pennies on the ground and picking them up. It happens in very synchronous moments.
You can get it off the odometer of your car, if you're driving and you look and all the digits are lined up. You can get it off license plates. You can get it off watching a sports game and seeing how much time remains in the game.
You can get it off a clock. It can be 11:11, 12:12, 5:55, 4:44, 3:33, 1:11, 2:22.
Now the idea here is not that you're acting foolishly and saying "Oh wow, look at the clock, it's 11:11." The idea is that you're sitting and doing something. You're not thinking about what time it is.
Then you suddenly look at the clock out of nowhere, after not looking at it for a long time. And one of these synchronistic number times shows up.
Now the idea of what happens is this: it's your Higher Self, telling you "Pay attention to whatever you were just thinking, because it's very important to your spiritual evolution."
So, in reference to Dave's call earlier, in methods you can use to attain guidance, paying attention to synchronicity begins by being open to the fact that you could receive a message this way. Just opening to the possibility that synchronicity could happen.
Once you say, "Okay. I'll look out for it, and if it happens I'll at least consider it," look out – because it's going to get started.
In the Science of Peace, I give the whole science behind that.
G: Okay, David. Thank you. Let's move on to our West of the Rockies line. West of the Rockies, you're on Coast to Coast. Hello there, good morning!
Karen: Good morning! This is Karen in Ashland, Oregon. The longer I'm on hold, the more questions I want to ask. I wanted to ask just two questions about what David was saying.
He was talking about stress, and how it breaks up the spiritual coherence. The observation I have is that life today seems more stressful. So how can we actually be moving toward this great age of enlightenment in 2012 when we seem unable to maintain our equilibrium?
It seems sort of contradictory to me that we can make spiritual progress and stress breaks that up – or maybe spiritual progress is just a concept that we don't really have any need for if we're moving toward this anyway.
My second question was what you said about reincarnating as many souls. I'd never heard that theory of reincarnation. I'd always heard one soul reincarnates again into another soul. Could you explain your understanding of that, how that happens?
Are there more Ra-Ta souls here now, and for what reasons?
D: Okay. We'll tackle the second question first, and then loop it back into the first one.
The second question, you mentioned the name Ra-Ta. There is a difference between Ra and Ra-Ta.
According to this Law of One material, which I believe is highly credible for a variety of reasons I don't have time for, Ra came from the planet Venus, which evolved into what is called a 'social memory complex.' This is not like the Borg, because it is harmonious and positive, but it is a group mind.
So, there are all these people like us in that mind, who used to be separate but now are One.
In the cosmic game there are three cycles of 25,000 years, roughly, for planets to evolve and go through these Ascension processes. A lot of people who didn't make it at the end of these cycles, didn't graduate into unconditional love, got recycled and put all on one planet.
That's actually what we have on the Earth. The high-level positive ETs were responsible for that.
This is all, again, very speculative material, and I can't back this up scientifically, but apparently 25,000 years ago they realized they had made a huge error by putting all these people together.
The only way they could atone for it was by reincarnating in their own form as humans, and forgetting who they were.
I believe a lot of the people in this audience are actually ET souls, angelic souls.
Now this ties back into your question from the beginning about the stress, and how could stress be considered spiritual – how could it be considered evolutionary in nature.
Let me point out that the nature of stress itself is something that bothers you because it hasn't been cleared.
So the real spiritual work we're being brought to at this time is different than the idea you might get from books, where you just chant a mantra and everything is going to be fine, or write a check to yourself for a million dollars and suddenly you have this boundless prosperity.
It's more complicated than that. What you really end up doing here is moving through experience without the experience sticking to you.
So if an experience causes you to feel anger, then there is a reason why you're getting triggered. You can eventually get to a point where the same thing happens, and it doesn't bother you anymore.
A lot of us have a very fragile ego. Of course, nobody wants to admit to that. Somebody offends us, somebody upsets us, and it's like American Idol – you can't imagine being on stage in front of America and being insulted about your singing.
So the idea is that eventually you get to a point where these things repeat enough times that they don't bother you anymore. You move through them. Then they don't need to repeat anymore.
It's an initiation. Initiation involves trial. We are at the end of the cycle. The idea here is that the more you can live in a state of unconditional love, meditative balance and equilibrium, you won't experience the stress.
The stress is showing you the points that still need to be worked on that haven't actually been healed yet. So that's the short answer. [Laughs]
G: [Laughing] Oh, okay! Let's go east of the Rockies. Your turn. Hi there. Hello?
Good morning!
G: Yes, go ahead, please.
Janis: Am I speaking to David Wilcock?
G: David's on there with you, sir. Go ahead.
D: What's your name?
Janis: This is Janis from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
D: Very good.
Janis: Much of everything you've said absolutely agrees with my own research and my own development.
I'm curious about the development of your own research. Mine started with visionary dreams, and our resulting assertions seem to be, if not similar, almost identical.
I want to ask you an enigmatic question. Have you ever had the overriding sense that you need to seek out six others who are similar, or the same?
D: I can't say that in particular I have had that exact number. However, mentorship is an important stage of evolution in terms of Galactic Mind, and the archetypes that were set up that we all go through.
There are only 22 basic experiences you will ever have in a human lifetime. You get to choose how and when you go through them, but you have to process and move through all of them.
Mentorship is one of the key archetypes where, in meeting with people of like minds, you can find mirrors of yourself.
See, in the Law of One philosophy, there is no such thing as a separate self. We are addicted to the idea of separation. This dimensional shift is bringing these folks together; hence these synchronicities where we meet people.
So, if you're being guided to meet others who seem to be on a similar path, I would recommend finding resources that are available where you can find like-minded people. We have a conference area on my website. There are other areas where you can find things like that.
Send people email, get talking. If something clicks, then conferences are a great way to find people. You have everybody there for the same purpose, or similar purposes.
In fact, who knows? I have had several cases where people have gotten together at my conferences and had wonderful relationships with each other – romantic relationships that have formed from meeting each other at those conferences.
So, the sky's the limit. Once you start reaching out to others and not just having it as a solitary path, amazing things can happen.
G: Very good. Thanks, Janis. Let's go to our First Time Caller Line. You're on with David Wilcock. Go ahead.
MJ: Hello! George and Dave, how do you do?
G: Very good.
MJ: Very good. This is MJ, and I'm calling from Columbus Ohio. I'm not just a first-time caller, but I've only been listening for about two weeks. So I'm really, really new to the program.
G: Okay, well welcome aboard, MJ!
MJ: Thanks. Thanks. In those two weeks, shockingly I haven't heard any thoroughness of mention, not even any alluding to ancient Africa, and ancient African people's knowledge of the UFOs and the extraterrestrial life.
G: Oh! You've missed a couple major shows. Of course, you've only been listening for what you said was two weeks? Oh, my gosh! We had one with the Dogon tribe…
MJ: [crosstalk] Of course! That's it!
G: …maybe about six months ago, a whole program on that. All I can say, because that's not David's expertise, is just keep listening to the program. You're going to get a mixture on this show, and that's what makes Coast to Coast what it is.
D: I did read "The Sirius Mystery" by Robert Temple, which describes the Dogon, and the fact that…
G: [crosstalk] He was the guest!
D: Yeah! So yeah, there's a lot of data there. It's just hard to cover everything.
In fact, I had someone at a conference who was explaining that voodoo was originally a positive spiritual faith that then became used for them to protect themselves in the slavery period. It has now gotten a bad reputation.
The more negative uses of it were an evolution toward the negative direction of something that started out as a very powerful form of ritual magic in Africa.
G: David, we just did a major show on voodoo as well. That was back in Los Angeles. So MJ, my advice is keep listening. Two-week listener, you'll get a whole mix of things.
Plus, we'll have to do another show, folks, because I get a lot of emails on this – on the book of Urantia. David, did you ever look into that incredible book?
D: The Urantia Book is kind of like a cosmic encyclopedia. There's definitely a lot of things you could go into about that. So yeah. It's another one of these fascinating topics I would encourage everyone to just keep exploring, and seeing what's out there.
We should keep having these 2012 shows and bringing in as many different talents as we can. We really want to educate ourselves about this. This is going to happen. This is not a joke. There is so much data, and it's correlating all together.
I am absolutely convinced that we're heading into something very, very amazing.
G: Well, I think you're right. Next up, let's go to our Wild Card line. It's your turn. Go ahead.
Jeff: Hi, David and George.
G: Hey!
Jeff: My name's Jeff. I need some help getting my mind straight.
I'm going through a divorce that I don't want. I can't seem to focus. All I… everything that comes to me is negative. I don't want to live like that. That's not my… that's not the way I live. But I can't seem to, to stay focused. And I just wondered… how could I block out the negativity, and bring in the positive?
D: Well, that's a really good question. I've been through three major relationships in my life, each of which ended in a separation and great depression and unhappiness.
Jeff: [flat] That's where I am right now.
D: Yeah.
G: You know what? They say it takes at least a month for every year of the relationship.
Jeff: [somber] This is over 13 years.
G: Yeah. So it's going to take you at least a year to get over this.
Jeff: [fatalistic] I don't know if I have that much time.
G: Oh, you've got to. You've…
Jeff: [crushed] I can't stay like that for a year, you know?
G: You have to dig down, because one day you're going to wake up in the morning, and David will attest to this, you're going to wake up in the morning and go, "Why did I stress myself out over this?"
D: [crosstalk] Well Jeff, I can tell you something…
Jeff: I got less of, you know, all the bills and all the animals. I've had two spinal surgeries in the last two years. I can't work right now, so I sit home all day alone, just dwelling.
G: Well, that's the problem! First of all, Jeff, you're dwelling on this stuff.
Jeff: Yeah. That's what I do!
D: Okay. There's one thing I want to point out that might not otherwise be mentioned. Part of the problem can become a chemical problem.
I noticed that when I was going through these periods, I would be stress eating. It's really important that you get some kind of superfood, even if you don't think it's going to do anything. Some kind of super blue-green algae, chlorella or something like that.
G: No sugar, right, David?
D: Right, exactly. But take this superfood every day, like even two or three times a day. It's loaded with B vitamins and all these things.
What happens is emotions are created by chemicals in the brain. If you don't have the chemicals for happiness, which can happen in extreme stress, then you can't feel happiness, because your brain doesn't have the chemical anymore.
So you can rebuild…
Jeff: [crosstalk] What do you mean by superfood?
D: Okay. You go to the health food store. You find some kind of powder that's green, and you mix it in whatever drink you want to have it in.
G: You know what? Water is the best thing.
D: Right. Exactly. And that, I mean, I know it sounds crazy, but you combine that with also taking something like tryptophan, it's called. Another form of it is your B vitamins.
The most important thing of all is actually called essential fatty acids – EFAs, Omega 3, 6 and 9, specifically, and more important than that, even, is the superfood.
All I can tell you is that as far as emotional grieving, I recommend journaling. I recommend not trying to run away from the pain, because that's what we end up doing.
We indulge in addictive behavior where we're basically watching TV or trying to not face it. I recommend going into it, writing about it, experiencing it, letting yourself have it move through you.
What you're actually running away from, ultimately, is a projection of yourself. We bring these people into our lives as exaggerated representations of parts of ourselves that we still need to heal.
When we eventually get enough processing behind us, we realize that we were actually on a timeline where we were going to have to grow out of that relationship. Eventually we can see that it was beneficial.
But, as George was saying, man, it takes work. You have to just commit to yourself, and realize that life is worth living.
If you actually did commit suicide – I'm not saying you're suicidal at all, but some people might be – that causes an immediate reincarnation, and you have to go through the same thing all over again.
So, it doesn't solve anything. What you can do to solve it, though, is to get your nutrition up. Get some exercise. Get out in the sunlight.
In fact, the rods and cones in the eye are connected to the endocrine system. If you don't get full-spectrum light at least 15 minutes a day, which means sunlight without sunglasses, then your endocrine system gets all screwed up, and you can't re-absorb those stress hormones.
So, it's a complex procedure, but the short and sweet version is: journal about your pain, write it down, try to stay in a meditative state, try to feel for the love and light, try to look for the good whenever you can.
Do things to distract yourself, if need be, that are non-chemical in nature. Take the superfoods, and really just try to be at peace with yourself, and rediscover yourself if at all possible.
G: And get away from any negativity. As difficult as it is right now.
D: Absolutely.
G: But the day will come. The day will come, Jeff. You'll wake up in the morning and go, "Whoa! I can't believe I went through all that!" You know?
D: It's layers. You peel up the layers, and you keep going through the pain. And then you think you've got it, and then something triggers you and you get hit again. And you have to move through it again.
You know what? After a while, if you keep doing that work, you might get triggered again, but there's this part of ourselves [that is making irreversible growth, and eventually we realize that it just doesn't hurt as much, or last as long, anymore.]…
G: [interrupting, suddenly realizes out of time] And then it works. David, we've got to run.
D: Okay.
G: Thank you for being on the program. David Wilcock, for Dan Galanti, Wayne Roberts, Steve Carr, Tom Danheiser, Lisa Lyon, Lex Lonehood, Shawn Ladouceur, Ross Mitchell, Alan Corbeth, Stephanie Smith, Ian Punnett and Art Bell, I'm George Noory.
Somewhere out there on Coast to Coast AM, somewhere on our next edition, we shall see you. Until then, be safe, everyone.
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